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Evangelists versus Evangelicals

Query #80 for the Month

of

September 2021

Next up-date: October 1st 2021 (God willing).

Some perpetual questions ....

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In the meantime, try this site.   

 

Here's another great site on the character of God written in a way that's very easy to understand.

In this reply the old-fashioned words of the KJV have been modernised, and in some instances, the man-made punctuation has been altered for greater understanding.  Some of the comments are adapted from books in my library.  No recognition is given because they are not intended as authorities, but are used because they express my understanding clearly.  All the ideas expressed in this article, right or wrong, are my own.   


Query:

There was a discussion recently regarding evangelists and evangelicals. 

What do you see is the difference between those two terms?

 

Response:

Evangelists versus Evangelicals

(I have added the emphasis)

https://godsbreath.net/2016/02/12/the-difference-between-an-evangelical-and-a-christian/

“Evangelical” comes from the ancient Greek word for “gospel.” 

Ev- means good and angel means “message,” so that translators understand that Gospel means “good news” or “good message.” 

 

For a believer to be evangelical, then that one must identify with the apostolic gospel [which is NOT the same as the Bible gospel for they have their own agenda.]

 

However, for the sake of unity with Christ and His church, every believer should simply exist as a Christian — a follower of Christ.

There is more to being a Christian than being an evangelical by definition. [So they know that there is a difference.]

I must add here that it is important to note that, while dictionary definitions may not show much difference between the two words, evangelist and evangelical, there are great differences in current usage.[1]  Evangelical Christianity is a specific branch of professed Christian doctrine/practice heralded usually in a noisy and boisterous manner,[2] while "evangelism" is a very generic term for preaching the true “everlasting” Gospel quietly and peacefully.  Revelation 14:6.  [See note 1.]

The following are all the references that I could find to evangelists in the Bible.  “Evangelical” is not in the KJV version of it but its likeness (Pharisee) is used frequently.

Moreover, I think the advice given to Timothy about the last days is now pertinent.

    Acts 21:

8 And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came to Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was [also] one of the seven [man-chosen deacons, Acts 6:1-6];[3] and abode with him. 9 And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy

    2 Timothy 4:

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts [strong desires] shall they heap to themselves teachers [lots of them], having itching ears; 4 and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables.

We are now living in that time!  So what you are hearing from them is nearly all fable – manmade stories!   I know that that IS HARD TO BELIEVE but if you personally check the base evangelicals operate from you will find that it is “sand” and not the Rock.  It is not so much that they often speak the truth (the devil loves to mix truth with error) but the PRINCIPLES they have built on, although some of their doctrinal teachings are very misleading.  [See more on this further down.] 

[Paul continued:]

5 But watch you in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of your ministry

    Ephesians 4:

11 And He [God the Spirit] gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers[4]  12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying [illuminating] of the body of Christ: 13 till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect Man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ [till we are like Him] . . .   

We should note that an evangelist was one who showed proof

(i.e. how his gospel worked) and did not give out an impossible standard.

One of our early writers wrote, and I paraphrase,

“All denominations (religions) tell you to be good,

but only one teaches you HOW to do it with God”. (See note 3.)

In the book Pilgrim’s Progress, (pages 8-9 in my edition) when Pilgrim asks Evangelist the way to the Celestial City that man said (my paraphrase), “Through that little gate”.  Whereupon Pilgrim said, “I can’t see the gate”. So Evangelist said, “Can you see the bright light?”. 

“I THINK I can see a little glow” was the reply.  “So go there and you will find the gate”, he was told.[5]  Thus an evangelist tells us where to go to enter into God’s kingdom.  John 3:1-8. Note that seeing and entering are two different things.

This is right for evangelists, so what is wrong with evangelical teaching?

It cannot be just the lack of Sabbath-keeping (although that is a major difference in most cases for the majority observe Sunday claiming that this is Biblical).  However, SDA evangelicals outwardly observe the 7th day (often better than the common members of the church), just like the Pharisees, for in fact that is their position in today’s church.

No!  What is missing is Sabbath-resting.  Let’s put it to the test:

Here is my understanding of the true gospel:

You love Jesus although you only know a bit about Him – so come to Him and give Him your old life and accept the new one He is offering (that’s the “gate” from one kingdom to the other).  Don’t worry if you have done this before, for it can be done often as an enjoyable repeat experience. (Not becoming a Christian, but as a pleasurable act, like hugging a parent for being who they are, and for giving you your life.)  This is necessary when you realise that you have strayed back into the old territory – the ritual to cleanse it is called “feet washing” in the New Testament.  (John 13.)

Then you give Him control of your possessions – your spouse, your children, your money, your car, your talents – and so on.  Then say, “Thank You, they are now all Yours, and I know that You will look after them and me, for I trust You”.  This also likened to a marriage in the Bible.[6]

How do you feel now?  It took about 30 seconds, and you don’t feel any different!

However, you are not living by feeling, but by faith (which is another word for “love”)  and others will notice the change.

So the next thing to do is to look at your worst sin!  The one that you can’t seem to stop, yet feel upset after each time you have practised it, AND ADMIT TO JESUS THAT YOU LIKE IT WHILE YOU ARE DOING IT.  Come to Jesus and tell Him about it, don’t gloss over it or make excuses, just tell Him the specific facts of it.  Be brutally honest (He knows all about it anyway, but He wants you to recognise the depths of it) and tell Him you want to stop.

Ask Him to take the desire for it from you, and hand it over.  If you don’t put it out there, then He can’t take it – it must be a freewill gesture. Just make sure that you don’t leave His presence with the burden of it.  How do you feel now?  Still no different?  Maybe just a little relieved?  Certainly happier!

That’s normal – what you have to do now is wait and see.   

The next time the temptation to do it comes up (for it will, because you didn’t ask Him to save you from temptation, that’s not the name of the game at this point, only for Him to fulfil His mission) which is . . .  thou shalt call His name [character] JESUS: for He shall save His people from [not in] their sins”.  Matthew 1:21.   

How do you feel now?  If you are not attracted to that sin anymore in the face of the temptation (for you should be “dead to it” Romans 6:1-2; 10-11), then you know that He is your Saviour in fact, not just words.  You have experienced saving Christianity.

But what if (horrors!) it feels just the same?  Did you have to struggle with it and eventually give in?  This is the battle with self, or human nature.  This simply means that you are holding on to it (and it is holding on to you) and you need another different kind of prayer.  Now you must admit that you are more in love with that sin than you are with Him, and you need Him to take care of that love for you.  Don’t promise to be good next time, for that won’t happen.  But trust in His word – He has said He came to be your Saviour – let Him save you. 

Do you trust Him?  If so, look forward to the next temptation on it.  When there is no longer “pull” from it and you can say, “You are my Saviour and I don’t feel attracted to that sin anymore”, then you can know that you have just been saved.  (Your reaction to temptation can be used as a way of telling how you stand with God. 

That, of course, is where we would like to stop and consider the battle won, but not so our enemy.  He will come again, and again with the same temptation (and others) and each time you can overcome through your Saviour.  It is not, “fall seven times and rise up again each time to do better” as some teach, but admitting that each time that you gave in that you did not want to be saved from that sin.  For if you really do want to be saved, He will save you.  You are not living by works, but by faith in His promise.  (He hasn’t asked you to do anything to prove it.)  When you have given up trying to be good (and told Him so) let Him do the work.  THEN, thank Him.   

What I have just told you is the gist of Exodus chapter 12 and Leviticus chapters 1 to 7 and chapter 16. (You can click here to see some of those chapters.)   There you will see that following those rituals [spiritually today], and understanding what they mean spiritually, ends in automatic forgiveness and cleansing each time, for He loves and forgives you as a loving Husband would an erring wife. 

It ALWAYS works if you let Him do it but this is NOT His main aim in your life, but in our self-centredness we normally think that it is so.  Yet here is a clue: it only comes in at number four in the Book of the Law! 

As you grow up as a Christian so you will be told of many other areas in your life where you are not quite fit to live among the sinless beings of the universe (i.e. meet the in-laws).  How long will it take to overcome these problems?  Until you are so exhausted with trying that you give up and let Him do it, or you die before you can![7]  (Here’s a link for another story, The White Country.)

So what is His main aim? 

You will have to ask Him that, for it varies greatly for each of us.

But here is another clue.  There are 23 more chapters in the Book of the Law.

Well, so far so good, but you are only half-way through the initial experience of Christianity, therefore you are only half a Christian!  Still a baby in nappies, you have yet to realise your potential!  Sanctuary workers, either priests (1 Peter 2:9) or Levites, did not officially start their duties until they were 30 years old. (Numbers 4.)  We need to be mature Christians to really help others. There are fear, humiliation and persecution (to name a few) to come yet, and they are not sins, but experiences of Life. It is here that you must apply working faith. 

From here on you will receive requests to do this or to do that.   

This is where your good works come in.  You are NOT a passive participant in this drama.  What we have to do while all this is going on is to listen to what God asks us to do and step out in faith in His word that He will supply the power to do it.  For it will often be something that we don’t think we can do.  But we can walk on water (Peter did) if it is required and the LORD says to do it.  But only as long as we believe He is supplying the power, for we certainly don’t have it in ourselves.

If you don’t hear a voice speaking to you, you may have a great impression that you should do something (or stop doing something).  You can test that impression against the word, or you can, like Gideon, ask for a sign.

But the one thing I can tell you that He wants from us is the wisdom and knowledge to choose the right – because it is the right and in line with His character.  So ask Him often for more of these.

Happy “resting” and “working” from now on.  Read Hebrews chapter 4 and in particular, verse 11.

Conclusion: 

Evangelical Christianity is a specific branch of professed Christian doctrine/practice heralded usually in a noisy and boisterous manner, while "evangelism" is a very generic term for preaching the true “everlasting” Gospel quietly and peacefully.  Revelation 14:6.

 

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Note 1:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

 [I have added the emphases and additions in black and red.  The blue are their links.]

Evangelicalism

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For other uses, see Evangelical (disambiguation).[8]

Not to be confused with Evangelism.  [Note this point]

Evangelicalism (/ˌiːvŠnˈdʒɛlɪkəlɪzəm, ˌɛvŠn-, -ən/), evangelical Christianity, or evangelical Protestantism,[note 1] is a worldwide trans-denominational movement within Protestant Christianity that maintains the belief that the essence of the Gospel consists of the doctrine of

[1] salvation by grace alone, solely through faith in Jesus's atonement.[1][2][3][4] [9]

Evangelicals believe in the centrality of the conversion or

[2] "born again" experience in receiving salvation,

[3] in the authority of the Bible as God's revelation to humanity,

[4] and in spreading the Christian message. The movement has long had a presence in the Anglosphere  [English-speaking world] before spreading further afield in the 19th, 20th and early 21st centuries.

Let’s unpack those basics:

[1] They teach that the death of a human body on a Roman cross after six hours (a very short time according to the bystanders) 2,000 years in the past and 4,000 years after it all began, is God’s complete answer to the problem of sin.  “He did it allthen, is their belief. even though the Day of Atonement [a much longer period] is one of the last rituals in the Jewish religious calendar and the main sacrifice made on it is special.

[2] Their “born again” is a modification of the old life [or character], not a brand-new creation, which is only a partial truth. They teach that it is an evolutionary process – spiritually changing gradually (it IS a growing experience), but you cannot be born over and over again daily, as some teach [10] – you are spiritually re-born once and then grow.  (The natural physical body is not changed, it just ages.)

Here it is in plain English:

    Romans 6:

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

3 Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? [Not into the church.]  4 Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of His death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection: 6 knowing this, that our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

 

 7 For he [she] that is dead is freed from sin.

 

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him:

9 knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dies no more; death has no more dominion over Him. 10 For in that He died, He died to sin once: but in that He lives, He lives to God.

 

11 LIKEWISE reckon you also yourselves to be dead [once] indeed to sin, but alive to God through Jesus Christ our LORD. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof. 

[3] They also teach that the words of the Bible are infallible even though we do not have an original of any part of it.  It is all copies, and in our case, translations of the copies. (I have access to 52 versions of it in English.)  They teach that it is all God’s “good word” even though it is an X-rated book in any terms, for it is full of wars, murders, rapes and lies as well as the truth of God’s way!!  

(Don’t misunderstand me, I believe it contains the words of God, but we have to be aware of what was said, or happened, who said or did it and to whom it was said or done, and when.  For the Spirit has collected together all the good and the bad stories so that we may choose a side (there are only two) based on what we read.) 

[4] They are true to the form of their forerunners and are great missionaries.  Jesus said to them, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves”. Matthew 23:15.  

Its [i.e. evangelical] origins are usually traced to 1738,[11] with various theological streams contributing to its foundation, including Pietism, Puritanism, Quakerism, Presbyterianism and Moravianism (in particular its bishop Nicolaus Zinzendorf and his community at Herrnhut).[5][6][7] 

Preeminently, John Wesley and other early Methodists were at the root of sparking this new movement during the First Great Awakening. Today, evangelicals are found across many Protestant branches, as well as in various denominations not subsumed [12] to a specific branch.[8]

Among leaders and major figures of the evangelical Protestant movement were George Fox, John Wesley, George Whitefield, Jonathan Edwards, Billy Graham, Bill Bright, Harold Ockenga, John Stott and Martyn Lloyd-Jones.[5][7][9] The movement gained great momentum during the 18th and 19th centuries with the Great Awakenings in Great Britain and the United States. [It was a counterfeit just before, and carried on at the same time, as the SDA 1844 movement.]

In 2016, there were an estimated 619 million evangelicals in the world, meaning that one in four [professed] Christians would be classified as evangelical.[10]

The United States has the largest proportion of evangelicals in the world.[11]

American evangelicals are a quarter of that nation's population and its single largest religious group.[12][13]

As a trans-denominational coalition (see note 2), evangelicals can be found in nearly every Protestant denomination and tradition, particularly within the Reformed (Calvinist), Baptist, Methodist (Wesleyan-Arminian), Pentecostal and charismatic churches.[14][15]   BACK

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Note 2:

Isaiah 8:

11 For the LORD spoke thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying,

12 Say you not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say,

A confederacy; neither fear you their fear, nor be afraid.

13 Sanctify [set aside] the LORD of hosts Himself [personally]; and let Him be your fear, and let Him be your dread.  14 And He shall be for a Sanctuary [to you]; but for a Stone of stumbling and for a Rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin[trap] and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem [i.e. the church]15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken [in this deception].

 

16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among My disciples [keep the Ten Commandments.] 

17 And I will wait upon [approach, as a waiter] the LORD [Esther 4:16], that hides His face from the house of Jacob [see Jacob’s Trouble], and I will look for Him [you must ask for that job, for you MUST volunteer for any special mission (Isaiah 6:8), but be prepared to be told that you are not qualified for that one and be offered an alternative.]  BACK

 

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Note 3:

You might like to look at Waggoner’s thoughts on practical sermons.

From the Pioneer Authors, Folio Views disk.

Waggoner, Ellet Joseph (1855-1916). Physician, minister, teacher, editor, and writer. Waggoner was son of J. H. Waggoner. In the late 1870s he trained at Battle Creek College, then took medical training, and joined the staff of the Battle Creek Sanitarium. Later moving to California, he worked at St. Helena as a physician, then turned to editorial work. He had a unique conversion experience in 1882, seeing Christ crucified for him personally, leading him to devote his life to revealing this to others. In 1883 he became an editor at The Signs of the Times, and the next year became associated with A. T. Jones there. Their development of the theme of righteousness by faith in relation to the law led them into conflict with the church leaders in Battle Creek, reaching a crisis at the Minneapolis 1888 General Conference Session. [See Tradition versus Truth.]

Ellen White's strong endorsement of the message was clear. "When Brother Waggoner brought out these ideas in Minneapolis, it was the first clear teaching on this subject from any human lips I had heard, excepting the conversations between myself and my husband.... And when another presented it, every fiber of my heart said, Amen" {1888 348.4}. She spoke in many settings over the next three years with both Waggoner and Jones, sharing the gospel message, and working to raise the spiritual life of the church [1888-1891]. The year 1891 that saw Ellen White sent to Australia also saw Waggoner sent to England, both being the results of work to remove them from Battle Creek [by the evangelicals of the day?]

Waggoner edited the Present Truth while in England. In 1898 Ellen White wrote him that she and her son considered "Present Truth the best paper published by our people" (17MR 217.1). Toward the end of this decade he partnered with W. W. Prescott in the work in England. They shared many views that came from the Minneapolis era, but in their humanness carried them at times too far. Ellen White reflected in 1903 that both men had promoted "extreme views of sanctification" at the 1901 General Conference Session [held at Battle Creek and which she attended, for by then her exile was over.] (10MR 87).

Prescott saw his error and moved away from such concepts, while Waggoner with these ideas moved closer to Kellogg's views. Ellen White attempted to help direct his feet away from this path. In 1903 she attempted to arrange for him to join the new school at Berrien Springs, telling Magan and Sutherland, "I know that just now he is in special danger... of accepting incorrect views of God, as set forth in the new book, 'Living Temple'. Take him into the school at Berrien Springs.... I believe that he will recover his former clearness and power" (SpM 328.2).

But like Jones he went to work with Kellogg at Battle Creek, leaving church employment in 1904, and church membership in 1905 over his divorce. While active in religious things at Battle Creek to the end of his life, his usefulness to the church was never recovered [for he changed over from being an evangelist to being an evangelical.]

And

Crozier’s Atonement on the Cross.  See pages 38, 41-45 and in particular 51-55.

This was written in 1846!!    BACK

 

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Next query. To be discussed from 1st October 2021

Query: 

How were the Hebrews and Jews so easily fooled into believing that the physical systems that they had (sacrifices etc.) were the means of salvation?  And how come we can see their problem but can’t see that we have exactly the same problem with a different system?

 

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[1] The adjective “evangelical” which has also been used as a noun since the last century, is often employed in the place of “evangelist”, but they are at opposite ends of the truth.

[2] e.g. Pentecostal believers are called evangelicals by modern standards.

[3] Deacons were added by vote as church officials because of an apparent favouring of the Jewish old folk over the Greek oldies in the church.  Acts 6:1-6.  Jews have always been more generous than the Gentiles.

[4] We should note the order in which they were given, Paul’s idea of importance.  We can volunteer or be chosen for any of these roles, depending on our abilities, for position in the kingdom of heaven is based on ability.  He who does most for most others is the King.

[5] This referring to light from the Scriptures.

[6] There are many ways in the Bible to see the relationship.

[7] Don’t worry, He loves you that much that He will change you at the resurrection if you give Him permission now.

[8] An example of disambiguation [stopping the confusion] is when a [further] study explains the discrepancy between two different scientific studies that point to different results that create uncertainty.  In language processing, deriving the true intention of a word or text that has multiple meanings.

[9] Hold down the ctrl button and click the left mouse to follow to the small references.

[10] This is usually quoted as “I die daily” (1 Corinthians 15:30-32) but a careful perusal of the context soon reveals that it is dealing with threats of physical violence, having nothing to do with God’s transformation.

[11] Again, it began as a counterfeit of the truth before the three angels’ messages.

[12] https://www.bing.com/search?q=What+does+subsumed+mean%3F&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=what+does+subsumed+mean%3F&sc=2-24&qs=n&sk=&cvid=E7F173E8731D4E78AA5993D975BAE09E  

Subsume means “. . . as individual under species, species under genus, or particular under universal; to place (any one cognition [understanding]) under another as belonging to it . . .  [e.g. a child under a parent]