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Where was Adam?

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March 2012

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In this reply the old-fashioned words of the KJV have been modernised, and in some instances, the man-made punctuation has been altered for greater understanding.  Some of the comments are adapted from books in my library.  No recognition is given because they are not intended as authorities, but are used because they express my understanding clearly.  All the ideas expressed in this article, right or wrong, are my own.   


Query:   

Genesis 3:6-7

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also to her husband with her; and he did eat.  And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.   

Was Adam with his wife when she took the fruit, and why did they make aprons of leaves?   Also, how many women would talk to a snake?

 

Answer:  

The Bible is very factual and often seems unemotional, but we sometimes need to supply that deficiency with some of our own feelings.  We should think of this incident as a seduction, not of the body, but of the mind, and take into consideration all the passions and persuasions which go into such a situation.  Satan wanted to gain control of Eve and he used an agent which appealed to her.  The fact that the serpent appeared to speak made it doubly interesting to her, and, no doubt the words were flattering and appealing as most seducers aim to be.  He was, after all, more “subtle” than any other creature!   

Let’s look at the scripture.

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Genesis 3:

1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.  And he said to the woman, “Yea, has God said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?’” 2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die’.”

4 And the serpent said to the woman, “You shall not surely die: 5 for God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil”.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also to her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

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Although it can be read that Adam was there with his wife, it is interesting that Lucifer spoke only with Eve throughout the whole experience.  It was she who had come from within Adam (as his second self) who was put to the test even though she was absent when the advice not to eat of the tree had been given, for at that time Adam was still alone.  See Genesis 2:16-17 and 18.  Because it was hearsay to her, this probably explains why she added the bit about touching the fruit to the story, and changed God’s definite statement into a maybe – “LEST you die”.  (Compare Genesis 2:17.)  If Adam had been there, he would have corrected such inaccuracies for they were very important.  

In other places we are told;

“Can two walk together, except they be agreed?  Amos 3:3.  And, “Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falls; for he has not another to help him up. Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken”.  Ecclesiastes 4:9-12.  Together, Adam and Eve made up the whole created being, but apart they were not exact replicas of each other.  The woman possessed most of the emotional character while the man retained a lot of the logic – not 50/50 but a sliding balance.  They were equals, but different.

This gives me the understanding that it was after she had eaten that she went to her husband and told him of her experience, for she would not have been fooled if they had been together, for two heads are better than one in solving problems and dealing with situations.  Also, in a planned “seduction” the presence of a third party would be a nuisance, so Satan probably waited until he could get her on her own.  It also highlights the thought that she was not listening to the Spirit either, for He would have been pleading with her not to go alone.  “There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man [or woman]: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry [which is independence from God]”.  1Corinthians 10:13-14.

When they shared the fruit they could gain only a knowledge of evil, for they were already “very good” at the creation.  Genesis 1:31.  (But in fact, they “lost” a great deal of wisdom as we shall see.)  However, it was the understanding of evil that the heavenly Father was trying to keep from them, just as any earthly father would today.  Under the influence of the devil Eve saw in the fruit a three way advantage – good to eat, nice to look at, and leading to wisdom; and she wanted to give these to her husband, but all it did was “open their eyes” to the new situation they were now in.

And what's more, we are told much later in the Bible; “For Adam was first formed, then Eve.  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression”.  1Timothy 2:13.  That allows us to see that Adam knew what he was doing when he chose to follow his beloved wife into “death” even though he didn’t really know what that meant.  He was not tricked or fooled as Eve was, but deliberately chose to leave his Maker and stay with his wife.  In a way, this was “self” love.

“And Adam said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be one flesh’. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed”.  Genesis 2:23-25.

The scripture also tells us that they were naked and not ashamed of it before all this happened, as is right between husband and wife.  There is nothing wrong in sexuality, it is God-given: “Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers [those who use it wrongly] God will judge”.  Hebrews 13:4.

But they often had to meet their Maker and His travelling companions (Genesis 3:8), so I believe that to others they were outwardly covered as God Himself is, with a robe of light.  “Bless the LORD, O my soul.  O LORD my God, You are very great; You are clothed with honour and majesty, who cover Yourself with light as with a garment”.  Psalm 104:1-2.  Heavenly beings are often described as shining white (e.g. Luke 24:4) so it’s probably standard garb throughout the universe.  But that “light robe” must have disappeared when they transgressed the explicit direction of God, which is why they became conscious of how they would appear to the others after their sin.

I don’t know how they “sewed” the leaves together but people who live in jungles and other such places don’t seem to have a problem in weaving or threading plant matter into loin cloths.

Be that as it may, it was the great lie that should really concern us.  It is true that Adam did not die the physical death for 930 years, but as we know, there is more than one death in this world.  There is also a general “death” – a “walking death” as described by the apostle Paul.  “And you has He quickened [made alive], who were dead in trespasses and sins: wherein in time past you walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience”.  Ephesians 2:1-2.  And they were definitely under the power of the prince of this world at that time for he is described as; he “that had [has] the power of death [separation from the God of life], that is, the devil . . .” Hebrews 2:14. 

So what does that mean? 

We have already seen that they were quite different physically from what they had been before the snack.  So much so, that “. . . the LORD God made coats of skins, and clothed them” when He “quickened” them.  Genesis 3:21.  But this also represented a change from a worldly nature to a spiritual one!  This deliverance is commented on in the letter to the Roman Christians.  “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death”.   Romans 8:1-2.

Job describes it as; “The blessing of him that was ready to perish [but not yet dead physically] came upon me . . . I put on righteousness, and it clothed me: my judgment was as a robe and a diadem.  I was eyes to the blind, and feet was I to the lame”.  Job 29:13-15.

But all this happened only AFTER they showed how different they were in their minds, when they tried to hide from God behind a tree!  Genesis 3:8.  That’s the action of a fool!  When the LORD called out to them He knew where they were, of course, but He wanted His angel companions to realise something of what had happened to Adam and Eve, the “very good” newcomers to the heavenly family.  They then blamed each other for their predicament, and even ended up blaming their Creator for it because they could do no other.  We have all had experiences with children who do the same thing (and we have done it ourselves) – it is “built in” to those who are NOT transformed by righteousness to blame others whether we are children or adults. 

So the creatures that stood before God after they had stolen His fruit were different physically, mentally and spiritually (in “body, soul and spirit” 1 Thessalonians 5:23): they were in fact as “dead” IN THAT DAY as God had warned them.  They were NOTHING like their selves as they had been created.

Since that time, all their descendants have come into this world in the same condition, which is why we need a SECOND birth to get us right with God.  Until we choose that, we are covered by Christ’s righteousness in a general amnesty.  “Or despise you the riches of His goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? [and keeps us alive until we decide.]”  Romans 2:4.

Then the LORD told Eve what He considered would be her best option from that day onwards:

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Genesis 3:

16 To the woman He said, “I will [have to allow your sin to] greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception [for I cannot stop the RESULT of it without perverting justice]; in sorrow you shall bring forth children [you will really know evil through their behaviour]; and your desire shall [should] be to your husband, and he shall rule over you”.

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He was not laying down a law of dominance, for He does not use force and doesn’t expect His people to either, but was simply suggesting that to keep harmony in the family home the submission of one to another was the wisest course.  By this He meant that BOTH should counsel and act TOGETHER, not with one lording it over the other.  (That’s a manmade custom which strikes at the root of Christianity.)  It can’t be a law, because not every woman has a husband.  In the Old Testament as well as the New Testament times, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus” so it is up to the individual.  Galatians 3:28.  Christ Himself becomes the “guide” Husband to those who accept Him and He doesn’t “boss”.

When He repeated the counsel through the apostle who had only recently understood the FREEDOM of Christianity, He said, “Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands, as [you would] to the LORD [voluntarily].  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he [the husband] is the saviour [caretaker] of the body [the physical comforts]. Therefore as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. [And don’t forget] husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it . . .”  Ephesians5:22-25.

He had backed it up in His own behaviour: “But Jesus called them [His disciples] to Him, and said, ‘You know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them [they are Bosses].  But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister [helper]; and whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: even as the Son of man came not to be ministered to, but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many’.”  Matthew 20:25-28.  And this applies to families as well as to the church.

That’s why He carried on and said to Adam:

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Genesis 3:

17 And to Adam He said, “Because you have hearkened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: cursed is the ground for your sake [hard work will be good for you]; in sorrow shall you eat of it all the days of your life; 18  thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to you; and you shall eat the herb of the field; 19 in the sweat of your face shall you eat bread, till you return to the ground; for out of it were you taken: for dust you are, and to dust shall you return”.

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Disobedience (sin), affects not only the sinner, but also everybody and everything around them!  Consider what happened to Job’s family and livestock!  Sometimes this is the result of neglect on the sinner’s part (such as a drunkard or a profligate), but most often it is by greed, as the greenies keep reminding us.

As for how many women will talk to a snake, there are multitudes!!!  Today they may look like men, but are just as much agents of evil as that serpent was.  It is a sad fact that the women’s “refuge shelters” are full of such poor judges of character.

You may say, “God set up a “sting” operation--to see if man would fall for it” but He is not like that.  And that’s what we really have to decide – either He is a vindictive ogre who waits to punish those who disobey Him, or He is a loving Father who is trying hard to clean up a mess His children have gotten into through lack of experience and belief.  We can point to scriptures which depict both, but then we have to choose.  Jesus did – He saw a Father in place of a god – and He not only told us about it, but He lived it in co-operation with Him.   

Moses laid it out very clearly too:

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Deuteronomy 30:

17 But if your heart turn away, so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; 18 I denounce to you this day, that you shall surely perish [in the second death], and that you shall not prolong your days upon the land, where you pass over Jordan to go to possess it [for that is a picture of the new world].

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live: 20 that you may love the LORD your God, and that you may obey His voice, and that you may cleave to Him: for He is your life, and the length of your days: that you may dwell in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

 

[“For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world,

was . . . to Abraham . . .”  Romans 4:13.]

   

Joshua reiterated it to the new generation:

 Joshua 24:

14 Now therefore fear the LORD, and serve Him in sincerity and in truth: and put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood [the river Euphrates, where lay the home of false Christianity, the union of church and state], and in Egypt [the Pagan world of pleasure loving]; and serve you the LORD [only]

15 And if it seem evil to you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood [the river Euphrates], or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

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Conclusion:

Where was Adam?  Left behind while Eve did her own thing.  The Bible is written from two angles so that we may choose either, and still think we are following it – but only one can be right.  Either God is a fiercesome Person who delights in tormenting His creatures, or He is not!  If He is not, and is instead a “Father” who “delights” in His children (Proverbs 8:30-31), then we should delight in Him and allow Him to guide us.

 


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1 Corinthians 5:6-8

Your glorying is not good.  Know you not that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?  Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened, for even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.  Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.    

 

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