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The transfer of sin

Query for the Month

of

December 2012

Next up-date: January 1st 2013 (God willing).

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In this reply the old-fashioned words of the KJV have been modernised, and in some instances, the man-made punctuation has been altered for greater understanding.  Some of the comments are adapted from books in my library.  No recognition is given because they are not intended as authorities, but are used because they express my understanding clearly.  All the ideas expressed in this article, right or wrong, are my own.   


In this article the old-fashioned words of the KJV have been modernised, and in some instances, the man-made punctuation has been altered for greater understanding.  Some of the comments are adapted from books in my library.  No recognition is given because they are not intended as authorities, but are used because they express my understanding clearly.  All the ideas expressed in these readings, right or wrong, are my own.   

 

Query: 

This week’s query is set out slightly differently to the usual manner, but it starts out with a subject that many of us are guilty of, so let’s look at it.  For the sake of clarity, I have edited and added to some of the conversations, and expanded the quotes to round them out. 

After last month’s query, I was asked;

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Hi Ron,

Is this thought from my library relevant?

[It was written about someone who went around criticising others.]

“But those who are so busy in dissecting the words and acts of others, to discover all that is objectionable, fail to discern the good and pleasant things. They do not eat of the proper [spiritual] food to promote spiritual vitality and healthy growth. 

“Many are bearing a yoke that Christ never placed upon them. It is galling to the neck, and it brings no rest to the soul.  I said to Brother A, The Lord has not placed the sins of the people upon you.  You are not the sin-bearer.  Jesus, the world’s Redeemer, was able to tread the wine press alone. 

He bore our sins in His own body on the tree, and there is not an angel in heaven who is able to bear the sins of one soul. 

“No human being can bear the guilt of his own sin. 

“Then how inconsistent for him to think that the LORD has laid upon him the sins of his fellow men.  If it were so indeed, his life would be crushed out.  From henceforth please remember that not one of you is able to be a sin-bearer.

“Do not feel that you are under the necessity of talking of the faults and errors of others”.   

At Calvary, was there, in a sense, a transferral of sin to the Son of man (which literally ended His life), like the future transferral of sin to the Scapegoat (although that transferral will NOT cost Satan his life)?  He will continue to be sustained.

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My answer:
That’s a great quote.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.  You are right when you say that it was this transferral to the Son of man which killed Him.  And it will be added to the weight that Satan has to bear in the Lake of Fire and it will kill him although it will take longer to do so because as an angel (even a fallen one) he has much more strength than a mere man (even the incarnation of the Son of God).

We are told about the weakness of Christ’s human nature in this text:

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Hebrews 2:

6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, “What is man [Adam], that You are mindful of him?  Or the son of man, that You visit him? 7 You made him a little lower than the angels; You crowned him with glory and honour, and did set him over the works of Your hands: 8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet”. [Psalm 8:4-6.] 

For in that He put ALL in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. 

But now we see not yet [or now] all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, WHO WAS [also] MADE A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that He by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10 For it became Him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the Captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

11 For both He that sanctifies and they who are sanctified are all of one [origin]: for which cause He is not ashamed to call them brothers [and sisters], 12 saying, “I will declare Your name to My brothers [and sisters], in the midst of the church will I sing praise to You”. 13 And again, “I will put My trust in Him [like they do]”.

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 God will continue to sustain Lucifer in the Lake of Fire as He will have done for all the other rebels until they literally fell apart as in Zechariah 14:12, for that is His nature.  He can do no other.  It is this that makes the end of the rebels so horrible.  They are actually fighting with the effect of sin so that they can stay alive, yet they want to separate from Him who has the gift of life! 

Jesus on the other hand, co-operated with God and gave up His life on time. 

“And He was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed, saying, Father, if You be willing, remove this cup from Me: nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done”.  Luke 22:41-42. 

“And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the [Holy] Ghost”.  Mark 15:37. 
 



His reply:

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Thank you, Ron.  The thoughts are very interesting.  My mind is seeing new things here!

From the thoughts,

i.  “the cross is a revelation to our dull senses..”.  (Ed 263), and,

ii.  “The scene on Calvary was the manifestation of what has taken place as long as sin has existed..”.  (Glad Tidings 46-47),

it is apparent that the Divinity of Christ had been bearing the sins of the world from the very day that sin entered the world.

The ‘transferral’ of sin that cost the Son of Man His life, appears to have been a ‘transfer’ from His sin-bearing Divinity, to the humanity of Jesus.

In some sense, was Christ’s humanity “shielded” from His Divinity, until Gethsemane? ([Was] His Divinity capable of bearing (and constantly bearing) something that His humanity could not bear?)

It is appearing to me that a veil or shield between the two natures must have begun to withdraw . . . “No human being can bear the guilt of His own sin”.  No humanity can bear it, and with the partition wall gone, Jesus died.

I am sure that these things, if correct, would be basics, but to me they are fresh and new.  Do they sit well with you?

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Here’s the EGW quote in full:

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{Ed 263.1}

Those who think of the result of hastening or hindering the gospel think of it in relation to themselves and to the world.  Few think of its relation to God.  Few give thought to the suffering that sin has caused our Creator. 

All heaven suffered in Christ's agony; but that suffering did not begin or end with His manifestation in humanity. 

The cross is a revelation to our dull senses of the pain that, from its very inception, sin has brought to the heart of God. 

Every departure from the right, every deed of cruelty, every failure of humanity to reach His ideal, brings grief to Him.  When there came upon Israel the calamities that were the sure result of separation from God, – subjugation by their enemies, cruelty, and death, – it is said that “His soul was grieved for the misery of Israel”.  “In all their affliction He was afflicted . . . and He bare them, and carried them all the days of old”.  Judges 10:16; Isaiah 63:9.

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My answer:

Hi S.
That's exactly it.  This is basic Christianity which has been deliberately hidden, but you got it in one.  I have understood this for many years but have not had to explain it much until recently.

I used to say it was like them being two different people and the Son of God part being behind a sloped venetian blind which was between them.  He could see and hear everything but the Son of man part could not see back to Him. He had to take it all in faith from the word.  But, of course, they are really one person, just as a man can be a brother and a husband at the same time.

The Son of God can not only handle the burden of sin today, but He is doomed to bear it forever, for His sacrifice is an eternal one.  He will never be free from it, but because He is God, He can handle it.  It will however, be like a benign cancer, always there and worrying. 

That’s why He bears the marks of the crucifixion on His human body throughout eternity.  “Then said He to Thomas, ‘Reach hither your finger, and behold My hands; and reach hither your hand, and thrust it into My side: and be not faithless, but believing’.  And Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My LORD and my God’.  Jesus said to him, ‘Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed’.”  John 20:27-29.

The Son of man, on the other hand, only bore the burden for a short time, just long enough for us to see what His other half was doing.


Then, I asked about the other quote, and this is what I received from S.

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The Glad Tidings (E J Waggoner) quote comes up on page 91 on the 2008 CD.  The paging I used was from a copy that F published.


{1900 EJW, GTI 91.1}

The scene on Calvary was the manifestation of what has taken place as long as sin has existed, and will take place until every man is saved who is willing to be saved: Christ bearing the sins of the world.  He bears them now.  One act of death and resurrection was sufficient for all time, for it is eternal life that we are considering; therefore, it is not necessary for the sacrifice to be repeated.  That life pervades and upholds all things, so that whoever accepts it by faith has all the benefit of the entire sacrifice of Christ.  By Himself He “made purification of sins.”  Whoever rejects the life, or is unwilling to acknowledge that the life which he has is Christ's life, loses, of course, the benefit of the sacrifice.

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My answer:

This confirms that others of our early pioneers had the same understanding that Crozier tried to express. 

Conclusion:

The really great mistake that professed Christians have made was when they began to look upon the human (animal) sacrifice as the reality instead of a picture!

In other words the majority of them have been, and are being, taught and think that their salvation comes through the offering of a Substitute for their sinful lives on the cross at Calvary. In this they are being lied to, and believing the lie. In the “spiritual” version they are being taught that the “Christians” of the Old Testament just had to look forward to the event of Calvary while all they have to do is to look back at it and believe!  It is often called “Righteousness by faith” (this phrase is not in the Bible with that meaning) which means that their “righteousness” through Christ (right-doing) is not factual.  This is a very clever counterfeit, in that it leaves the believer with what they think is “imputed” righteousness, a covering for their sinfulness, but it fails because it has no “imparted” infilling base to work on.

 


Who wants to add (or subtract!) from these thoughts? I won't argue as I have stated,

but I will publish your Scriptures so that we may review all the words of God on the subject.

 

Next query. To be discussed from January 1st 2013,

Next month's query will be in form of a dialogue between a questioner and myself on the subject of the transfer of sin from the penitent to the sanctuary.

 

Next query:

Exodus 29:

38 Now this is that which you shall offer upon the altar; two lambs of the first year day by day continually. 39 The one lamb you shall offer in the morning; and the other lamb you shall offer at even:

40 and with the one lamb a tenth deal of flour mingled with the fourth part of a hin of beaten oil; and the fourth part of a hin of wine for a drink offering.

41 And the other lamb you shall offer at even, and shall do thereto according to the meat [flour and oil] offering of the morning, and according to the drink offering thereof, for a sweet savour, an offering made by fire to the LORD.   

42 This shall be a continual burnt offering throughout your generations at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD: where I will meet you, to speak there to you. 43 And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and the tabernacle shall be sanctified by My glory.

There seems to be some confusion over the personal offerings which were required in the Old Testament sanctuary system, and those which were offered on behalf of the nation.  Was the lamb which was continually burning on the altar a picture of the death of Jesus, and therefore a picture of salvation?

 

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