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The Ten Horns of Daniel 7

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In this reply the old-fashioned words of the KJV have been modernised, and in some instances, the man-made punctuation has been altered for greater understanding.  Some of the comments are adapted from books in my library.  No recognition is given because they are not intended as authorities, but are used because they express my understanding clearly.  All the ideas expressed in this article, right or wrong, are my own.   


The query:

When the Papacy arose in Europe it removed three of the ten horns (the nations of Europe) which were on the head of the beast at that time (about 508-538AD).  They are described as being “plucked up by the roots” in Daniel 7:8 which means in gardening terms that they were totally removed from the scene. 

Then, AFTER the Papacy had ruled for 1,260 years as a leg of iron from 538AD to 1798 we have as the last participants in world history, two feet and ten toes containing the new ingredient, clay.  Daniel 2:42-44.

How then can we say that the ten “horns” of Daniel 7 which became SEVEN BEFORE the Papacy ruled, can be the same as the TEN toes which come AFTER its reign?

 

The Response:

When we look at the prophecies in question we read:

Daniel 7:

7 After this I [Daniel] saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly [which we know symbolised Pagan Rome]; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue [the rest of the world] with the feet of it:

and it was diverse [different] from all the beasts that were before it [being much more organised and practically unconquerable]; and it had ten horns [representing ten smaller nations/powers within it].

The prophet then tells us:

Daniel 7:

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn [the Papal power], before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: [which means that 3/10ths of the Roman nationalities of the time disappeared from history, leaving seven from then on.]

The three which did not survive were the Heruli; the Ostro (east) Goths and the Vandals.  They were in Italy, around the Black Sea and in North Africa respectively.  What distinguished these three from the other seven were differences in religious beliefs from the Roman Catholic system, by which they were thoroughly disposed of in the period from 508 – 538AD.  Their greatest difference was that they believed in the principle of freedom of religion, while the other seven accepted the teachings of the Papacy which likes to keep a tight rein on all its followers. 

The seven horns that remained were the Lombards; the Suevi; the Franks; the Visi (west) Goths; the Alemanni; the Saxons and the Burgundians.  They eventually became the Italians; the Swiss; the French; the Spanish/Portuguese; the Germans; the English and the other nations of today’s modern world, with a generous amount of mixing – in other words, they became the Europeans, the remnants of the Western Roman Empire.

The seven eventually coalesced into the Holy Roman Empire.

Into this mix the Papacy fitted well as an antichrist.

Daniel 7:

8b And, behold, in this [little] horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things [against God, from 538 – 1798AD].

As Satan’s religious representative it ruled the world for 1,260 years as one of the legs of the statue of Daniel 2.  (The other leg was, of course, the Pagan side of Rome.  They are meant to be seen as continuous, not parallel, like the two arms of Medo/Persia, although in reality the Papacy is Paganism under the guise of Christianity.)

Then things changed: 

Its religious authority waned considerably as it received its “deadly wound” from the Protestant movement (Revelation 13:3).  Then it was divested of its political power by the French armies after 1798 and “the time of the end” commenced.

From God’s side the investigative judgment began in the second apartment of the heavenly sanctuary on October 22, 1844 (Daniel 8:14) to determine who of the professed Christians in the Lamb’s Book of Life should be resurrected at the Second Advent, and this happening was made known to the world by the Advent people.  Revelation 10:8-10.   

This latter event was/is also described in the next verses of Daniel’s account.

 Daniel 7:

9 I beheld till the thrones [more than one] were cast down [placed in order], and the Ancient of days [the Father] did sit [on the judgment seat], whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame [a blaze of light], and His wheels [it was a movable throne] as burning fire [He was in full majesty for this major event.  The other thrones were for the twenty-four elders of Revelation 4:4].  

10 A fiery stream [the River of Life] issued and came forth from before Him [from under the throne, Revelation 22:1]: thousand thousands ministered to Him [attending to the affairs of the universe], and ten thousand times ten thousand [of heavenly creatures] stood before Him: the [investigative] judgment was set [began], and the books were opened.

Because this judgment was to determine who (or who would not) be eligible for the first resurrection, and was mainly for the angels’ eyes because the redeemed would live among them for a long period, there was no necessity for the dead Christians to be present in physical form.  The Son of God presented the names and characters of those who had professed to be followers of the living God and which had been written in the Book of Life, and one by one they were (and are being) accepted or rejected by the presiding Judge, God the Father, for this part of the judgment has not yet finished. [This is only the first piece of a three part judgment.] 

Now of course, for this to happen, they had to have permanently stopped sinning, so the procedure can only begin for individuals after they are dead. God has promised that they will not continue sinning after they are resurrected [Revelation 21:5], but we should note that one day it will have to pass on to the living Christians who will survive to the Second Advent!    

The next few verses give us a considerable insight into what the little horn (the Papacy) did, and intends to do:

Daniel 7:

21 I beheld, and the same [the little] horn [Satan’s religious puppet] made war with the saints, and prevailed against them [for 1,260 years];  

22 UNTIL

the Ancient of days [the Father] came [to the judgment in 1844.  Then began the period of relative peace in which we live today],

[“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven [some angels], and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought Him near before Him.  And there was [began to be] given Him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages [those whose names were accepted in the judgment], should serve Him: His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed”.  Daniel 7:13-14.]

and

[but, the persecution will begin again during the loud cry, and will last until]

judgment was given to the saints of the most High [which will be after the Second Advent.  Then there will be a period of 1,000 years of cessation of hostilities while the redeemed investigate the Book of Death regarding the rejecters.]

[Revelation 20:4.

“And I saw thrones, and they [all the redeemed] sat upon them, and judgment was given to them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years [while they were doing the judging in conjunction with Christ]”.   This is the second part of the judgment.]

and

[but he (Satan) will have a final go against the New Jerusalem and the saints of God when] the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom [at the Third Advent].  

[“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, ‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.  And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away’.  And He that sat upon the throne said, ‘Behold, I make all things new’.  And He said to me, ‘Write: for these words are true and faithful’.”  Revelation 21:2-5.]

[“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are [now] in the four quarters of the earth [having come up in the second resurrection, called] Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city . . .” Revelation 20:7-9.]

[Daniel 7 continued:]

23 Thus he [the angel interpreter] said, “The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth [Pagan Rome, which was political first and then religious], which shall be diverse from [stronger than] all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24 And the ten horns out of this [Pagan] kingdom are ten kings [nations] that shall arise [within it during its time of ascendancy]: and another [the little horn] shall rise after them [making 10 + 1 = 11]; and he shall be diverse from the first [he will be religious first, and then political], and he shall subdue three [of those] kings [leaving 7 + 1 = 8].

25 “And he shall speak great words against [blaspheme] the most High, and shall wear out [persecute to the death] the saints of the most High, and think to change [God’s] times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit [in 1844], and they shall take away his dominion [his power], to consume and to destroy it to the end [not “at the end”, for it will take some time to do this in men’s minds]”.   

In those verses we see that there will be three separate and distinct occasions in which the saints of God will be warred against by the false system, and happily for them, only TWO times in which it will “prevail against them”, for at the very end of time God’s “way” will be seen at last. 

But our query also asks about the ten toes of the statue of Daniel chapter 2, therefore we need to look at them as well.

Daniel 2:

40 And the fourth kingdom [which in this prophecy is composed of TWO iron legs – Pagan and Papal, forming ONE continuous kingdom] shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things: and as iron that breaks all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

[There is no difference in the aim of the two legs –

only their motive is different.]

41 And whereas you saw the feet and toes [the final section of the statue], part of potters' clay [a new element], and part of iron, THE [one] kingdom [Satan’s] shall be divided [not into the two feet, because that division had occurred in the thighs, but by the introduction of a new religious element.  This is not the Papacy, for that was represented by a leg, but shows us other groups operating with the Papal system in the last days.]

[What is significant about the clay?

“The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, ‘Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause you to hear [and see] My words’. Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he [the potter] wrought a work on the wheels.  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it [but he still used the same clay].

Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, ‘O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter?’ says the LORD.  ‘Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel. [The clay represents a religious group.] At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation [or a religion], and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; if that nation [or religion], against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to them.  And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; if it do evil in My sight, that it obey not My voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them’.”  Jeremiah 18:1-10.]

41b But there shall be in it [the composite kingdom] of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with miry [wet and dirty] clay [which represents the religions of the world attempting to unite with the political nations].

[The same individuals who constitute the nations also make up the religions.

They are just distributed differently according to their mind-set. 

Taken together, the feet represent the totality of humanity in the last days]

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken [the result will be chaotic, as the nations are today, but worse].  

43 And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry [wet] clay, they [the religions] shall mingle themselves with the seed of men [the political groups]: but they shall not cleave one to another [for long], even as iron is not mixed with clay [for it can cling only while wet, and as it dries out it will separate].

 As the Holy Spirit (the moisture) has to withdraw the unity will crumble.

The nations represented by beasts/heads/metals want worldly riches and power over men’s bodies; whereas horns/clay want religious control over men’s minds and bodies, as well as worldly riches. (It is like Esau and a false Jacob fighting over the birthright.  The king of the south versus the king of the north.)

In the following verses we are told how this will happen:

Revelation 17:

12 And the ten horns [on the last beast, which are also pictured as the feet and toes of the last days in the statue] which you saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet [so they were NOT part of the old Roman Empire]; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast [in the future].

[“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy”.  Revelation 13:1.]

13 These have one mind [one aim], and shall give their power and strength to the beast . . . [there will be an uneasy unity with the political powers.]

16 And the ten horns [the religious powers] which you saw upon the beast, these shall [eventually] hate the whore [the Papacy, as their enthusiasm for her system dries up], and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put in their hearts to fulfil His will, and to agree, and give [the power of] their [united] kingdom to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.  

Although there are TEN of them, they are spoken of as ONE because they are all the religions of the world, which, while they have large differences of doctrine, are all impelled by the same spirit.  In the same way the nations are called ONE also – the whole duality making up Satan’s kingdom.

Thus we are told:

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In the seventeenth of Revelation is foretold the destruction of all the churches who corrupt themselves by idolatrous devotion to the service of the papacy, those who have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication [her false doctrines].  [Revelation 17:1-4 quoted.]

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Thus [by the woman riding the beast] is represented the papal power, which with all deceivableness of unrighteousness, by outside attraction and gorgeous display, deceives all nations; promising them, as did Satan our first parents, all good to those who receive its mark, and all harm to those who oppose its fallacies.  The power which has the deepest inward corruption will make the greatest display, and will clothe itself with the most elaborate signs of power.  The Bible plainly declares that this covers a corrupt and deceiving wickedness.  “Upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth.” 

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What is it that gives its kingdom to this power? Protestantism [which is one of the ten], a power which, while professing to have the temper and spirit of a lamb and to be allied to Heaven, speaks with the voice of a dragon.  It is moved by a power from beneath.  (Letter 232, 1899).

[This we understand to be in the United States of America,

which will start the movement to amalgamate.]

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[Revelation 17:13, 14 quoted.] “These have one mind.” There will be a universal bond of union, one great harmony, a confederacy of Satan's forces.  “And shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” Thus is manifested the same arbitrary, oppressive power against religious liberty, freedom to worship God according to the dictates of conscience, as was manifested by the papacy, when in the past it persecuted those who dared to refuse to conform with the religious rites and ceremonies of Romanism.  

In the warfare to be waged in the last days there will be united, in opposition to God's people, all the corrupt powers that have apostatized from allegiance to the law of Jehovah [all the religious counterfeits since Cain].  In this warfare the Sabbath of the fourth commandment will be the great point at issue; for in the Sabbath commandment the great Lawgiver identifies Himself as the Creator of the heavens and the earth (MS 24, 1891).

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It will be at the end of their “reign” that the “stone” will arrive and break up all the kingdoms of this world, both political and religious.

Daniel 2:

35 “Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image [suddenly expanded and] became a great mountain [the second one in the vision, see verse 45], and filled the whole earth [with the newly-resurrected redeemed]”. 

Daniel 2:  

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom [on earth], which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people [to prevail over it], but it [the stone, God’s kingdom of saints] shall break in pieces and consume all these [worldly] kingdoms [outlive them], and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of [moulded from] the [first] mountain [the remnant had become a full-fledged part of the universe of God, made] without hands [by the Spirit], and that it broke in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God has made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Consider Romans 8:19.  “The whole creation is on tiptoe to see the wonderful sight of the sons of God coming into their own”.  J. B. Phillips version.  

 

The conclusion:

The ten “horns” of Daniel 7 which come before the Papacy cannot also be the ten “toes” which come after its reign.  When plants are “plucked up by the roots” they do not reappear in re-growth.  So the “toes” must represent something else, and that is described in Revelation 17. 

 

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